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Mark Edmonton Age: 35 Posts: 1807	Time has come to address the pressing issue - What are we going to do about Nikki Catsouras aka Porsche Girl Car Crash Pictures? Hate to bring this upon everyone; I just wanted to share what exactly is happening behind the scenes: As you may know, Porsche Girl brought a lot of attention to Alberta Stars. Search Engines send us on average 100 people a day who are searching for Nikki Catsouras or related terms. Because we are one of few website who have content relevant to the search term, it results with those hundreds of people going right for the Porsche Girl thread. Back in beginning of December when Nikki Catsouras’ story was featured on 20/20, we got an average of 9000 extra people a day to our website – those were again the ones looking for pictures of Nikki Catsouras. Following 20/20 feature, I have received many ugly messages. My email address can be easily looked up – which I have posted should anyone need to get in touch with me regarding website issues so I can help them out. This was abused by many ill wishers, and I was subjected to countless threats and death wishes. To be fair, I have also received many emails of support thanking me for keeping my head straight and doing what’s right, not what people with money command. On December 13, I was contacted by Mr. Dayu Yang from Reputation Defender Inc. For those of you who watched the video with 20/20 feature on the Porsche Girl, you may have noticed that Nikki’s father hired that company called Reputation Defender to remove all traces of Nicole Catsouras from internet. What Nikki's dad was trying to achieve is understandable. Their family was being harassed with the pictures in a seriously distasteful manner (none of us condoned that behavior, though). Mr. Dayu Yang from Reputation Defender Inc. left a message through Contact a Moderator feature. I have responded to it through the system, but it doesn’t look like Mr. Dayu Yang came back to read the response. On February 02 2008, Mr. Dayu Yang left the same message for me through Contact a Moderator form again. That is why I’m assuming he never got my previous response. I’m not going to post what exactly the message contained, but in general it was a request to remove images. The request has been written in a tone of a request and does not contain any threats or abusive language. It is very polite, simply describing the situation of The Catsouras and kindly asking for consideration to understand the family and remove the thread form our system. Naturally, an average website owner would take any such thread down upon first letter form lawyers – before cease and desist letter comes. This would be an easy solution – I’d remove the thread, The Reputation Defender Inc. guys would be happy and would send The Catsouras’ another bill for $250 000 for successfully getting rid of one popular page with the Porsche Girl stuff and the life would go on. Except that by doing so this website would become what every other website on the net is – the puppet on the string. We at Alberta Stars pride ourselves on being a free thought community where censorship has no place. Even super gory websites like Ogrish censor all material related to the Porsche Girl and remove it on the spot banning everyone who touches it. Alberta Stars is one of the latest beacons of true freedoms of expression on internet. A place where “No Censorship” policy actually takes life and is not just a text line. Are we going to stand behind our freedom of speech and fight for it even though we’re against a monster with more money and power or shell we just bow down and give up without fight to avoid the defeat? The positive is that the request for removal was polite. The negative is that all The Reputation Defender Inc. cares about is the Catsouras’ money. Nikki’s dad has already spent a fortune on those guys and they are most happy to collect more form him. Another negative is that the request was nothing more but a cut and paste text. What do you think we should do? KEEP? REMOVE?
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:26 am
4q California Age: 35 Posts: 137	I did a search and this is exactly how I found the site, after looking around a bit I decided to stay. It's your call though on what you want to do with the thread. I do know of a few other auto sites that decided to remove the thread from their public boads in respone to the 20/20 story.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:33 am
Angie Calgary Age: 23 Posts: 4736	I knew this was coming and was expecting you to bring it up soon. And here we go. There is very little to say. I understand the ordeal The Catsouras were and are going through after the loss of their beloved daughter. Removing the thread would certainly benefit the family. However, keeping the thread will benefit much larger scale of people. It is pointless to go over the same arguments that were already stated in the original thread. I'll just sum it up in my vote: KEEP Keep and fight. There has to be something we can do. There has to be something to protect fundamental human rights, including the right of free expression.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:34 am
pornask Edmonton Age: 27 Posts: 1207	Sadly, we may be playing a dangerous game here. We don't know who we are against, but they are no joke. There are boards that specialize in gore and post the most horrendous material on daily basis. Those boards removed the Porsche Girl threads very swiftly and there's a big unspoken rule everyone knows, thta you are not allowed to post pictures of the Porsche Girl or you;re getting banned and the links be removed. And that's on sites much worse than Alberta Stars. If they are scared shitless and remove all traces of Porsche Girl, I'd say there's something big behind it. Alberta Stars is one last real no-censorship community website on the web. Even if Mark is forced to remove the thread, bringing it up with the community and discussing it retains the site as such. At least we know Mark would never censor anything. Hopefully he will not be forced to remove it.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:40 am
Melicious Los Angeles Age: 37 Posts: 1719	Although I cannot speak for you, as it is indeed a site that you created, I think it should stay up. I commend you on how you have handled this issue which seems to be the hot topic of the last couple of years as well as the flux in the last couple of months. It's my belief that not only are these pictures now public domain and should not be censored, but that people NEED to see them to get a full understanding of what can happen when you speed, when you drive while upset, when you disobey your parents that DO have your best interest in mind and when parents are irresponsible with the raising of their children. It may seem harsh to say it, but if they had spent as much time molding their daughter in to a responsible member of society as they have in getting her images off the internet, maybe this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place. That said, I DO NOT BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT THAT THEY ARE BEING HARRASSED BY THE PHOTOS. It takes a VERY sick and twisted individual to use those photos against the family. They may have been irresponsible and this is the result, however they've suffered enough in losing her and don't need to be reminded by assholes who have nothing better to do with their lives than make everyone else's miserable. Since nobody on this site has done this and since nobody on this site condones those actions, I find no reason to have them removed. This company is just using the Catsouras' as a cash cow and that in itself is a tragedy. Like rubbing salt in to the wound. Keep up the good work man!
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:45 am
4q California Age: 35 Posts: 137	a quick Google search and I found those graphic pics on two other sites.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:49 am
TheStig England Age: 29 Posts: 319	Keep the thread up, Mark. Whilst I feel the pictures are sad and shocking they should stay. Not out of disrespect but out of the persistence to keep the Internet uncensored. The lawyers are fighting a never ending battle and like you said, removing the images will end up with Nikki's family charged another sum for successful removal of the pics from another site, again. The Internet holds so many gruesome videos and pictures. The beheading of Eugene Armstrong and Kenneth Biggley in Iraq are horrific and brutal but are readily available on the Net, there's nothing that can done about it. But that's a good thing in my honest opinion. I think of the WWW as somewhere I can see and learn about anything and I'd like it stay like that.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:52 am
Wannabe Antarctica Age: 22 Posts: 312	Melicious wrote: This company is just using the Catsouras' as a cash cow and that in itself is a tragedy. You are absolutely right. This is the best sum up of the situation yet. I also think there is a good reason to retain the thread, because the combination of high exposure this website offers along with these pictures could in fact assist in possibly teaching the drivers about what could happen to them when they speed.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:54 am
pornask Edmonton Age: 27 Posts: 1207	4q wrote: a quick Google search and I found those graphic pics on two other sites. It is important to recognize that some websites are run form countries where law is not enforceable. For example Nigeria, the spam capital of the world. That is why warez or torrent websites still exist. If any of websites that have porsche girl pictures is hosted in such country, there is no way in hell Reputation Defender will remove them from there. They've done a good job, but their reach will not go far enough.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Mark Edmonton Age: 35 Posts: 1807	TheStig wrote: The Internet holds so many gruesome videos and pictures. The beheading of Eugene Armstrong and Kenneth Biggley in Iraq are horrific and brutal but are readily available on the Net, there's nothing that can done about it. But that's a good thing in my honest opinion. This is very true. It's a document of real events. Removing Porsche Girl pictures doesn't mean it didn't happen.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 12:17 pm
SweetJimmy Edmonton Age: 33 Posts: 203	That is a tough call. I don't want to see Mark get in big shit, but then again, what good is free speech without freedom? On a slightly related note, is anything they can really do about it? I mean US law governs the US, not Canada. So even if there was some retarded law against it, it is American.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Angie Calgary Age: 23 Posts: 4736	With their financial back up they could hire a Canadian lawyer to stir shit. That's what lawyers do. Lawyers could dig something up, like obscenity or whatever. Many countries are interlinked through mutual assistance treaty and what not so you never know. However, as long as no Canadian law is broken, we should be good. Trouble is, we don't know for sure whether they could have anything on us or not.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 12:30 pm
RainbowSuicide Ohio Age: 21 Posts: 193	KEEP!
	Feb 4, 2008 at 12:42 pm
anamaria Calgary Age: 22 Posts: 538	KEEP You start with removal of the porsche girl thread - which other thread will be next? Where will it stop?
	Feb 4, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Chocolate Edmonton Age: 24 Posts: 369	Angie wrote: With their financial back up they could hire a Canadian lawyer to stir shit. That's what lawyers do. Lawyers could dig something up, like obscenity or whatever. So, what we need is a lawyer who would review the thread and let us know - whether we're good cause there's no Canadian law that would be infringed so we can safely keep it as is and cannot be touched, or be careful and take it down or maybe keep it, just modify something.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Wannabe Antarctica Age: 22 Posts: 312	Lawyers are always after money more so than any other profession. To have a lawyer overlook the thread would solve everything, but they may require indecent chunk of change.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 1:24 pm
TheStig England Age: 29 Posts: 319	Mark wrote: TheStig wrote: The Internet holds so many gruesome videos and pictures. The beheading of Eugene Armstrong and Kenneth Biggley in Iraq are horrific and brutal but are readily available on the Net, there's nothing that can done about it. But that's a good thing in my honest opinion. This is very true. It's a document of real events. Removing Porsche Girl pictures doesn't mean it didn't happen. Exactly! KEEP!!!
	Feb 4, 2008 at 1:56 pm
delicon Edmonton Age: 30 Posts: 330	Keep, the thread has it's purpose moreso than any other
	Feb 4, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Gotthavok Edmonton Age: 25 Posts: 184	TheStig wrote: Mark wrote: TheStig wrote: The Internet holds so many gruesome videos and pictures. The beheading of Eugene Armstrong and Kenneth Biggley in Iraq are horrific and brutal but are readily available on the Net, there's nothing that can done about it. But that's a good thing in my honest opinion. This is very true. It's a document of real events. Removing Porsche Girl pictures doesn't mean it didn't happen. Exactly! KEEP!!!
	Feb 4, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Paulie Edmonton Age: 21 Posts: 2140	While I definitely have to say keep for every other reason up on this thread I don't really know... If it could threaten ABStars entirely... I say delete it. We knew it was coming eventually anyways. I'm shocked it lasted this long. I'm also shocked they're still looking for the pictures though. Nikki is never going away though, no matter how hard they try. Someone will always have the pictures.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 8:12 pm
pothead Fort McMurray Age: 26 Posts: 774	I have to say I respect Reputation Defender rep for approaching you and asking kindly to have the thread removed because it's devastating for the family. If he approached you and said - remove that thread or else... that would piss me off. I tend to lean strongly towards KEEP however the way they've approached you makes me have respect for them. Tough call, man
	Feb 4, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Mark Edmonton Age: 35 Posts: 1807	pothead wrote: I tend to lean strongly towards KEEP however the way they've approached you makes me have respect for them. The only thing that plays against them is the fact that they are so after Nikki's dad's money. If it was her dad himself who contacted me and asked me to remove the thread, there would be a whole new way of thinking. Her dad would likely not cut and paste premade, default text. You would feel emotion from his words. You often can't avoid feeling back for people who are going through tough times and share it with you. Reputation Defender rep felt very impersonal and cold. Hungry for money to say the least.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 9:35 pm
Viper_N_Kiss BkLyN Age: 38 Posts: 708	linepau1 wrote: While I definitely have to say keep for every other reason up on this thread I don't really know... If it could threaten ABStars entirely... I say delete it. We knew it was coming eventually anyways. I'm shocked it lasted this long. I'm also shocked they're still looking for the pictures though. Nikki is never going away though, no matter how hard they try. Someone will always have the pictures. Id have to agree with Paulie.. Id say to KEEP as long as it didn't mean any legal action against Mark or would cause harm to Stars because people here have respect for her death and her photos.. It's not like any members here are trying to cause any harm or damage to her family on purpose.. The thread and photos are being displayed in an educated, respectful manner..
	Feb 4, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Lampwick Calgary Age: 40 Posts: 206	I think keeping the thread is fine after first request but should comply with the more stern request that are going to come. The internet is evil right now and there isn’t a judge or court that would rule that removing it is infringing on our rights. By keeping the pictures up, Mark can correct me if I am wrong but I assume they just want the pictures to go away not the topic itself, what are we expressing? The forum allows us to discus why hookers are great, to say Rambo is the best movie of ’08, or if I feel like posting a picture of my freshly shaven balls I can with impunity. It would be a shame for all of that to go away because the courts decide to shut the site down. Lampwicks’ reputation is not on the line, AlbertaStars is, and in the best interests of the site we will have to eventually concede. You have to know what battles to fight and I think this is a losing one. I think its funny because everybody across the internet is talking about how stupid she is but that isn’t the concern, it’s the faceless (figuratively and literally) photographs that would have been the necro-fodder du jour that are now bigger than they would have ever been because of the lawsuits and “reputation defender” (small letters on purpose). Everybody has these pictures downloaded on their hard drives, and now they will never go away.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Viper_N_Kiss BkLyN Age: 38 Posts: 708	Lampwick wrote: I think keeping the thread is fine after first request but should comply with the more stern request that are going to come. The internet is evil right now and there isn’t a judge or court that would rule that removing it is infringing on our rights. By keeping the pictures up, Mark can correct me if I am wrong but I assume they just want the pictures to go away not the topic itself, what are we expressing? The forum allows us to discus why hookers are great, to say Rambo is the best movie of ’08, or if I feel like posting a picture of my freshly shaven balls I can with impunity. It would be a shame for all of that to go away because the courts decide to shut the site down. Lampwicks’ reputation is not on the line, AlbertaStars is, and in the best interests of the site we will have to eventually concede. You have to know what battles to fight and I think this is a losing one. I think its funny because everybody across the internet is talking about how stupid she is but that isn’t the concern, it’s the faceless (figuratively and literally) photographs that would have been the necro-fodder du jour that are now bigger than they would have ever been because of the lawsuits and “reputation defender” (small letters on purpose). Everybody has these pictures downloaded on their hard drives, and now they will never go away. I see your point to man because it's like "The Kitten Killer Of Hangzou", the incident happened years ago and there was a big issue about having the video removed from to net because people felt it was condoning the act of animal cruelty.. The video has been removed but there are several pics still floating around.. I can't find it to be a big issue if it isn't causing intentional harm to her family, so it's really a matter of what mark really feels he should or needs to do..
	Feb 4, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Mark Edmonton Age: 35 Posts: 1807	good point. I have received two messages from Reputation Defender, both pretty much identical with only difference being that the first one was requesting to have the "post" removed (he was using word post, I'm assuming he meant "thread" ) and the second one which was just received 2 days ago is requesting to remove "images". This is a quote from that recent message: If it is not possible to shut down the thread, just removing the graphic images will be enough. Once again, I need to stress that the message is very polite start to end, explaining the difficult times The Catsouras are going through and respectfully asking to remove the images and help end The Catsouras' nightmare. I really respect the tone in which they are addressing their request. One thing is that perhaps they don't realize we do NOT host the images on Alberta Stars. We are only linking to them. They are hosted on a different website, entirely independent from Alberta Stars. Removing links from our site will simply remove links so people will not be able to click directly to be taken to a page which has the pictures.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 10:56 pm
Viper_N_Kiss BkLyN Age: 38 Posts: 708	Then i would respectfully tell the dude that since the photos are linked from the other sites, it won't be an issue once the other sites remove their photos, but the thread remains.. It's entirely up to u what u do though..
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Paulie Edmonton Age: 21 Posts: 2140	No kidding. It would probably be a better service to them, to let them know the pictures are linked from another place. At least that would put ABStars on their "good side" in some shape or form anyways.
	Feb 4, 2008 at 11:44 pm
Angie Calgary Age: 23 Posts: 4736	The biggest issue I'm having is that the 20/20 feature of Porsche girl was nothing more but Reputation Defender advertisement. It did little good to the family themselves. It just popularized Nikki's death and the graphic pictures and made far more people aware of them. The family does not benefit from it at all. The only ones who do, are Reputation Defender Inc. I bet ya they were the one who advices The Catsouras to support the feature and do the interviews for the TV. They didn't realize that all it ends up being is an infomercial to promote Reputation Defender. Very unobtrussive and effective form of advertising. Sneaky bastards they are if you ask me. Typical lawyers. They won't stop at anything to make a fortune at suffering of others. Fuck it!
	Feb 5, 2008 at 12:07 am
Melicious Los Angeles Age: 37 Posts: 1719	[quote:_VIPER_]Then i would respectfully tell the dude that since the photos are linked from the other sites, it won't be an issue once the other sites remove their photos, but the thread remains.. It's entirely up to u what u do though.. That's a fantastic idea Viper. I agree. They should be going after the site that is hosting the photos, not this site. Like Angie says, the 20/20 show was one big advertisment for Reputation Defenders. Before that show aired, the whole Nikki Catsouras thing had died down and you couldn't find the photos. RD was elated when it aired because they knew they would have a whole new slew of photos to take down for them as a result. If they sent a "heartfelt" letter to you, it wasn't for your benefit or the family's benefit, it was for their own. You get more bees with honey theory. I say fight until you can't fight any longer. Don't put the site in danger, but if you can get away with it then do.
	Feb 5, 2008 at 10:52 am
Angie Calgary Age: 23 Posts: 4736	Hey Mark, do you think it's really possible they could shut down the site? Wouldn't it be against fundamental human rights if it happened? If we're not breaking any laws, they shouldn't be able to touch us, right? There must be something we can do about it.
	Feb 5, 2008 at 11:04 am
pornask Edmonton Age: 27 Posts: 1207	Sadly, I know a guy who had his site shut down for a day. He's running a blog and made a post about the restaurant in Taiwan where they serve soup with floating fetuses. They describe tender meat and soft crunchy bones and what not. There is an article about the same restaurant on Harvard University website. Somebody complained about his blog to godaddy - his domain name registrar and godaddy shut down his site. He logged in to find stupid godaddy page there. He went to enquire what was going on and they told him he had an inappropriate post there. Luckily, he told them he was gonna remove that post and he was back on line within 24 hours, but it's still shit. Especially since the same stuff is on Harvard site and their site never got into trouble. There's double standards out there and there's also several ways to have the site taken down temporarily (I don't think it'd be possible to do it permanently). It's possible to complain to the webhost - they will typically take the site down immediately if it infringes on copyright laws (BTW, stop copying entire articles form other sites, write it in your own words and only quote parts of the article if necessary, plus give credit, but don't take whole article and start a thread by pasting it there). It is also possible to complain directly to the domain registrar (like Godaddy) and they wil reroute your DNS settings to their default page. It's hard to do anything about it, cause there's always an authority higher than you. You can start your own hosting company and your own domain registrar in which case you will not be in the mnercy of other guys, who often disable your site without proper think-over but you still won't be untouchable. ICANN can still disable your domain, but for that there would have to be a court order, I think. Anyway, not saying, just saying
	Feb 5, 2008 at 11:26 am
dslmwgraves Sacramento, CA Age: 36 Posts: 90	This thread is the whole reason I'm here. Came for the pics, stayed for the chat...
	Feb 5, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Angie Calgary Age: 23 Posts: 4736	nice chatting with you
	Feb 5, 2008 at 1:17 pm
dslmwgraves Sacramento, CA Age: 36 Posts: 90	i really like this place...I think i'll stay...
	Feb 5, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Mark Edmonton Age: 35 Posts: 1807	I have sent Mr. Dayu from Reputation Defender an email with link to this thread so he can take a look at what Alberta Stars community thinks about removal of images and later today I have received the response. Mr. Dayu took time to provide very descriptive and detailed response to help clarify the situation. He's willing to go as far as to join Alberta Stars if you gave him a chance to speak on behalf of The Catsouras. Mr. Dayu explained the most discussed inssue in this thread - financial compensation Reputation Defender had received from Mr. Catsouras. When Mr. Catsouras approached Reputation Defender to help them end the nightmare he and his family had to go through after images of Porsche Girl spread across the internet like a disease and found its way to email inboxes of The Catsouras tormenting each member of the family, he was highly distraught over the cruelty of people abusing Nikki Catsouras' post mortem pictures. Reputation Defender reps could see how devastated he was and all of them, including CEO of the company, Mr. Michael Fertik were shocked and touched by the story. Reputation Defender Inc. offered their services and decided to simply charge a flat sum for all ongoing removal fees related to the Nikki Catsouras crash photographs. That means they have collected one time money from Mr. Catsouras and initiated works on the project which proved much more difficult than it seemed. Because it was apparent how badly devastated Catsouras family was and because many Reputation Defenders had children of their own, they could relate to the pain The Catsouras were going to so they continue with their efforts virtually free of charge. None of The Catsouras can do this. They have been exposed to hell because of leaked pictures and any additional exposure will just revive old wounds. Hence despite not getting paid for this anymore, Mr. Dayu and the rest of Reputation Defender continue with their efforts to try to take pictures down at least from all high traffic websites. Alberta Stars is one of them. They realize that they may not be able to eliminate the pictures completely, but majority of high traffic websites had responded to their requests and pulled the pictures from their pages and if they could manage to take them off all such high ranking sites, further spread of these images will slow down significantly offering major relief to the Catsouras form the hell they were put through with tormenting emails. Reputation Defender Inc. are NOT lawyers and are not looking for legal action against us. They are just asking us in a friendly manner to kindly reconsider their request and agree to removal of links to images from our website. Mr. Dayu is willing to talk to each of you personally if it helps remove the links form our site. They are just looking for a human on human talk and asking for nothing more but human understanding from each of us. I would like to kindly ask you all for permission to pull links pointing to pictures of Porsche Girl off our website. I realize there are certain benefits to having them where they are. I realize we do not censor on Alberta Stars. We all have the power to help relieve suffering of one family. Do you guys remember the Random Act Of Kindness Thread started by pornask - the same member of Alberta Stars who also started the Porsche Girl thread? It's these random acts of kindness that may seem insignificant, because maybe they target just a small group of people and may never make you famous. These small acts of kindness often require zero energy or sacrifice on your behalf. But to that single person or to that small group it means everything. We now have the power to mean a lot to some random people whom we never met. We have the power to help relieve the pain of those who have suffered enough. Alberta Stars is considered an authority website by the search engines hence it gets high rankings in many cases. Most similar authority websites have responded to this request by removing the pictures. We have an option to do the same. As one of you I would like to ask you to ask you to reconsider our options and give me your approval to pull the links form our site. Thank you, Mark
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:06 pm
Angie Calgary Age: 23 Posts: 4736	Well, i knew this was coming. I have foreseen it long ago as stated in one of my posts in the original Porsche Girl thread. Mark is a guy with very soft heart. You can pretty much tell by the way he treats animals. I am the one who started whole - it was all Nikki's fault and we need to keep the pictures on the site because of how well they work as deterrent of reckless driving. As a human, I reserve the right to change my mind. Often times you are better off doing what's right, not what's politically correct. Karma remembers and one day when you need this "random act of kindness" your favors will be returned. I don't think any of us will suffer severe breakdown if these pictures (or links to pictures) are removed. The life has moved on. There are new things to discuss. That thread was buried for a month and nobody missed it until all of a sudden so many people signed up and bumped it to express their feelings. I would like to vote for REMOVAL of the links. Thank you
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:14 pm
pornask Edmonton Age: 27 Posts: 1207	I am the started of Porsche girl thread. I have posted those links there. I can go and take them down from the original post. This is no longer about the freedom of speech. It's about doing what's right. We can make one family a little happier than they were yesterday. Alberta Stars counts. Let's make it really count. REMOVE Thank you
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Tender Edmonton Age: 27 Posts: 736	We have all seen them already. If we take the pics down we'll be able to brag that we have seen them and the other simply came too late and settled for nothing
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Viper_N_Kiss BkLyN Age: 38 Posts: 708	He was respectful and polite in his request, and honestly from day one i had a problem with the photos myself, so in all consideration, i think the whole thing should go.. If we don't oblige the request then it's like saying none of us are any better than those that refuse to take the photos down out of sheer spite, and to me that's very inconsiderate, so i also say.. REMOVE
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:23 pm
Reaper earth Age: 37 Posts: 1003	remove...
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Lila Edmonton Age: 26 Posts: 1184	Gong Xi Fa Cai Happy Chinese New Year everyone. Let's start it with removal of those links. They have their place on the net, but we have done our share of passing them on. Time for us to move on with our lives. Chinese New Year is approaching. Let us start it by making someone random happy.
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:37 pm
Viper_N_Kiss BkLyN Age: 38 Posts: 708	Lila wrote: Gong Xi Fa Cai Happy Chinese New Year everyone. Let's start it with removal of those links. They have their place on the net, but we have done our share of passing them on. Time for us to move on with our lives. Chinese New Year is approaching. Let us start it by making someone random happy. Nicely done Lila, and a very interesting way of putting it.. U deserve a fortune cookie for that lol
	Feb 5, 2008 at 9:45 pm
Mark Edmonton Age: 35 Posts: 1807	Hope I'm not coming late with this, but I was meaning to mention, that hopefully my post will not sound like I'm trying to influence your decision. Nobody position on Alberta Stars would change regardless of whether you vote KEEP or REMOVE. Besides, Pauline's is the only ass worth kissing. Mine ain't much
	Feb 5, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Chocolate Edmonton Age: 24 Posts: 369	I'm only here to kiss your stinky ass, Mark. REMOVE
	Feb 5, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Viper_N_Kiss BkLyN Age: 38 Posts: 708	Mark wrote: Hope I'm not coming late with this, but I was meaning to mention, that hopefully my post will not sound like I'm trying to influence your decision. Nobody position on Alberta Stars would change regardless of whether you vote KEEP or REMOVE. Besides, Pauline's is the only ass worth kissing. Mine ain't much I know what u mean and im not influenced by anything since u know all to well about the 1st bad day i had because i thought they should be removed then lol so i still say remove now..
	Feb 5, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Paulie Edmonton Age: 21 Posts: 2140	Mark wrote: Hope I'm not coming late with this, but I was meaning to mention, that hopefully my post will not sound like I'm trying to influence your decision. Nobody position on Alberta Stars would change regardless of whether you vote KEEP or REMOVE. Besides, Pauline's is the only ass worth kissing. Mine ain't much Mines to pale, someone might miss it mistaking me for snow.
	Feb 5, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Viper_N_Kiss BkLyN Age: 38 Posts: 708	linepau1 wrote: Mines to pale, someone might miss it mistaking me for snow. I doubt that, since theres been more reported cases of yellow snow than flu season.. But maybe an igloo lol
	Feb 5, 2008 at 10:10 pm
anamaria Calgary Age: 22 Posts: 538	Where's the line for Paulie's ass kissing
	Feb 6, 2008 at 12:40 am
Reaper earth Age: 37 Posts: 1003	anamaria wrote: Where's the line for Paulie's ass kissing smack smack...
	Feb 6, 2008 at 1:00 am

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