shawnlove
USA
Age: 121
Posts: 490
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powermann wrote: shawnlove wrote: Comparing Ryan (the real deal) to Criss Angel is comparing apples to oranges. As far as "cheating goes" the next time you see your favorite actor perform when he or she is not talking it is really a stuntperson. Now that is cheating in the definition of most people yet we don't down play our favorite actor or actress that was made famous by guess what? Cheating! Do they use camera tricks, digital imaging, etc. to make it seem real? Yes of course.
Ryan sticks shit in his arms, allows to be bitten by Cobras, so on and so on, and is called the real deal, well guess what that is not an illusionist. He is a masochist and has taken the pain factor to another level. Entertaining, hell yea, we all love to see someone punish themselves and challenging the human limits.
If as one says the illusion industry has to cheat in order to keep up with Criss Angel then I guess it is the changing of the times. Someone will learn to "cheat" better than Criss eventually and will do it well, thereby entertaining us even more and by doing so will surpass Criss Angel.
To those of you that are in the illusion entertainment I say Don't be a Hater! If you don't like it do it better. Perhaps jealousy is in the making because no one has heard of you other than family and friends. It takes marketing skills and a level of knowing the game of a given industry to become popular. Shit happens, so remember if and when you make it there will be someone shitting on you claiming everything that you are claiming about Criss Angel.
I was a stuntman for many years and have made many of your film heros look good. Do I call it cheating? No, it is entertainment. Did Antonio Banderos make Zorro look good or was it all the stunt doubles for Banderos make him as Zorro look good? Geeze get real, entertainment in most forms is exactly that, "Cheating". When you practice and perform magic in front of an audience you are cheating because you are making look as if you are doing something when in reality you are faking it to make it look real. So I will call you a "Cheater".
If you want reality then join the military, go to war, come back a basket case, and claim your fame. More than likely no one will want to hear your reality war stories. The public will ingnore you and not care that your are homeless and suffer from substance abuse or worse yet are living in a military hospital with no legs or arms. No one will care about you because it is not entertaining! Hope you get my point.  |
the difference is the lie
Jackie Chan does all his own stunts if he was secretly using a stunt man people would be upset ,but even this is forgivable
criss is not an actor and comparing him is like apples and rim jobs
but for the sake of the metaphor criss is not having some one else do his stunts he is having them do his acting |
You just don't get it....there is no "lie" illusioins are simply illusions it is not real. Therefore, if something is not real then how can it be a lie. People are impressed by magic and illusions because they are perplexed in how someone did it! If they believe it is real then something is wrong with that particular person. Check yourself and see if there isn't a bit of jealousy because of the fame of Criss Angel.
Jackie Chan is a stuntman that became an actor. If you want to be technical, Jackie Chan immulated the late Buster Keyton who was the ultimate stuntman of all time. Is there any cheating going on when doing stunts for the camera? Hell yea, I know, I was a stuntman for 16 years. Camera angles cheat to make things look more extreme, etc. So I will say again. Instead of putting Criss Angel down, do it better (cheat as you say) or make your magic more entertaining so you can surpase Criss Angel. For sure there will be someone to degrade you and your talent. It is as simple as that. I know some people like to use the term "put up or shut up" but I will not say that here. What I will say is if you can do better then you have the right or substance to criticize an artist regardless of how they get to the level of popularity. It is called an art form that includes cheating, trickery, you name it, now live with it.
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